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  1. QUOTE (alter718 @ Apr 13 2009, 05:07 PM) Quick question here. I have an innofader in my SA5 and it feels great with one small problem. If I have my mixer set to 'cut' and try to scratch using deck 2 (i.e. moving the fader from the left to the right) I get a great cut-in and the volume comes up quickly. If I try to scratch with deck 1 (moving fader from right to left) the cut-in and lag are much worse, not unusable but certainly nowhere near as sharp as the other side. What are my options for fixing this? I don't think I have much room as far as fader unit position goes, otherwise I would simply move the fader unit slightly to the right although that would probably mess up the left side in the process. Any suggestions on settings I could change? I hope this rambling post is coherent enough for someone to offer a suggestion. Thanks. I would suggest you try to recalibrate the fader as shown here: https://www.innofader.com/fitting.php#cut_d you can shift the calibration points to get more or less cut-in space as shown in the instructions.
  2. This is the information I have regarding the SA-3 from a customer who installed the Innofader on the SA-3: 1) The adaptor plate isn't necessary. Just use the original mounting plate from the SA-3 mixer. 2) If you move the Innofader quickly, the Innofader might hit the ends of the slot and you'll get a clicking sound. You can fix this by filing down the slot slightly or adding soft cushions on the slot edges.
  3. QUOTE (wizdumb @ Mar 27 2009, 06:41 AM) New user to the aem 100i and have a question to ask. Is the jumper that was included with the aem 100i (innofader version) needed? You don't really need the jumper since the AEM-100i circuit has two VCA outputs.
  4. QUOTE (henryc @ Mar 19 2009, 04:33 AM) Thanks for the suggestions. Elliot- I apologize for my ignorance, but how would I make the 301 ohm resistor smaller? Jonas/Elliot- I am going to try switching the wires around on the Ecler VCA option and let you know if I have any luck. Thanks again, Henry C. You can either replace it with a resistor of smaller value like 150 ohms, or you can solder another 301 ohm resistor on top of the one that is there.
  5. QUOTE (Monty0124 @ Mar 9 2009, 01:57 AM) Ah man, that sucks. I've tried all the settings imaginable and it still bleeds. Is the newer revision you're talking about a revision of the Innofader or the output adapter board? If it's the adapter board I'll hang onto the Innofader and wait for the new adapter board, other wise I'll just sell the Innofader and cut my loses. Thanks bro, Monty Hey Monty, The deal is that the A&H fader circuit runs off of only 2.5V, plus the VCA outputs themselves get pulled below ground. I'm sorry bro I'm doing all I can to make the Innofader compatibile with as many mixers as possible but this one really takes the cake. Elliot
  6. QUOTE (scotty p @ Mar 9 2009, 03:29 AM) I just rec'd my aem100i. absolutely love it. There is a problem though. The output from the LPF on CH1 sounds like it either has a bad pot, or somehow got really filthy internally in storage or something. When I rotate the pot, the "static" noise is so loud that it drowns out the audio signal, essentially making it unusable. In short, it sounds like the volume knob from a TV that has been sitting in a smokey bar for 30 years. I don't want to take it apart or do any intrusive cleaning before hearing from you folks. Maybe this is a chronic problem and the pot is replaceable etc... I'd appreciate any assistance and/or feedback. Thanks scotty p Hey Scotty, Please let me know if you would like us to replace the defective pot for you or if you'd prefer if we just send you the part. The AEM-100i you have is under warranty. Please correspond directly with me at support@audioinnovate.com Elliot
  7. QUOTE (henryc @ Mar 10 2009, 11:01 PM) I am having some trouble fitting the Innofader to my Rane Empath. When I connect the wires in the way that is shown in the forum (from the other user that has an Empath) to test them, nothing happens. I was able to get the green light on the test circuit to turn on when I switched the wires around, but when i go to play music only one side of the crossfader works. To be more clear, if I am playing music on both channels simultaneously, channel B will be cut out when the fader is all the way to the left (assigned to channel A), but when i move the fader to the right (assigned to channel I can still hear both channels (where channel A should have been cut out). Do you have any suggestions? Does this have to do with the order in which something is wired? It might have something to do with R568 in this picture: On the PC Board it is a 301 ohm resistor. I believe making it smaller will fix this problem. EDITORS NOTE: This 5V supply fix should fix the problem. Changing the 301 ohm resistor doesn't seem to have much effect. Jonasave what have you found on your end? Elliot
  8. QUOTE (Monty0124 @ Feb 24 2009, 04:16 PM) Hey Elliot, Still a no-go for my 62. Sent you a couple emails over the last month describing the problem, but haven't heard back. Basically, the Innofader works with the voltage adapter board. But, even with the pots on the voltage adapter board turned all the way up, I'm getting significant bleed on both sides of the innofader. Is the next step to do the mod for bleeding that you have pinned up top on the board? The mod for bleeding only will work in applications that don't use the output adapter board. The only thing I can suggest is using a sharper curve on the Innofader and a softer curve on the mixer to reduce the bleeding. We are aware of this issue and hopefully can fix this on a newer revision. Elliot
  9. QUOTE (HurriKane @ Feb 7 2009, 08:29 PM) I have an older Stanton SK-TWO mixer and I just gotten the innofader and I cant figure out the configuration to setup my innofader. I tried using the test circuit and smelled something overheating and quickly unplugged the test board from my mixer which neither LED came on . Could you please assist with the configuration for a Stanton SK-TWO. Thanks The test circuit isn't supposed to "smoke" anything. You might have pulled on a wire and shorted something in the mixer. Did you have a technician take a look at this? Elliot
  10. Email updates on this subject: Hey Steve, Being that it's an older Vestax, Vestax probably didn't pay that much attention to bleeding and the slightest VCA fader output causes bleeding. I have a circuit on the newer production Innofaders which should further reduce the bleeding, but you'll still have the clicking sound. Haha the recording you made sounds like something from an old Star Trek episode. Please do me a favor and do the old trick of setting the Innofader curve a bit sharper and the Vestax curve a bit softer, see how much of the noises and bleeding you can eliminate. Best Regards, Elliot Marx Owner / Audio Designer Audio Innovate Tel: 626-290-5945 Fax: 866-893-6874 website: www.audioinnovate.com email: support@audioinnovate.com first decade.rap wrote: > Elliot, > > The washers and screws fixed the distortion thing. It definitely seemed to operate better after I did that. Without using the grey wire mod I experience the bleeding in the crossfader. With the grey wire mod there is still the faintest bleeding sound but there is also this clicking noise on either end of the fader. I thought that might be normal but when I went back to the 07, it was near silent. In this old PMC 05 the Innofader doesn't sound as transparent and I still hear that faint bleeding. We are really close but the clicking noise is heard when scratching and it interferes. And there is definitely still a slight ground noise thing going on I think. I recorded the noise with no actual scratching, instead I just moved the fader as if I were scratching. I only had time to use this little digital recorder, so It's not the greatest but you can hear my point. I definitely do not experience any of these noises with the 07. Sorry for being such a pain in the ass. Let me know what you think. As always Thank you. > > Steve
  11. QUOTE (mrwolff @ Feb 5 2009, 03:32 AM) Please punch me in the side of my head. Where else would it go?!?!?!? If I don't know where the other end of the grey wire is by now I think I may be losing it.......Thanks The original Innofader cable is 8 pins on one end and 4 pins on the other end. The 4 pins on the other end connect to blue, green, yellow, and grey wires in that order. So for this mod, you need to: 1) Remove the 8 pin connector from the Innofader 2) Pull the grey wire out of the 8 pin connector 3) Remove the 5 pin connector from the line fader cable - NOTE: the line fader cable isn't used here!!! 4) Reinstall the grey wire into the 5 pin connector (2nd to rightmost pin), and finally 5) Plug in the 5 pin cable. Elliot
  12. QUOTE (mrwolff @ Feb 4 2009, 03:22 PM) Elliot, Does the grey wire from the 8 pin connector that is now plugged into the 2nd position of the 5 pin connector need to be plugged into anything else or go anywhere? Or should the tip of the grey wire just be insulated with tape and left to hang inside of the mixer? Thanks, Wolff That grey wire goes to the 4-pin connector at the other end of the cable. It should be connected there as long as you didn't deliberately cut it off!!!
  13. QUOTE (mrwolff @ Feb 4 2009, 04:07 AM) Elliot, Good Look'in. Johnny on the spot wit the answers. I will try this on that 05 and let you know. Thank you, Wolff Haha I just updated the mod for better bleed / decay control. Try it now. Elliot
  14. The Innofader, Innofader PNP, and Innofader PNP2 have a reverse protection circuit which might be the source of bleeding on some mixers. The below mod essentially bypasses this protection circuit. Before you do this, make sure there is some dead space on the fader. Set the Innofader to the factory default as shown here. Now if there is still bleeding, then try the below mod. ***NOTE: Before you do this mod, make 100% sure that the green LED lights up when testing the connector. Otherwise you may cause permanent damage to the Innofader. Mod as follows for Innofader PNP and Innofader PNP2 (see below for original Innofader):   The below modification shows the Innofader PNP. The modification is identical for the Innofader PNP2. First remove the 4 pin cable from the Innofader PNP. Remove the grey wire from the connector on the 4 pin cable used above. Find another cable included with the Innofader PNP and remove all 4 pins from the small 4 pin connector which is the same size. Insert the grey wire into the second pin Plug the grey cable connector into the 5 pin socket on the Innofader PNP. Make sure the leftmost pin on the 5 pin socket is exposed as shown. Plug the original cable with blue, green, and yellow wires back into the original socket. Mod as follows for original Innofader: First remove the 8 pin cable from the Innofader. On the 8 pin cable, remove the grey wire from the connector. Remove a 5 pin connector from on of the line fader cables. The picture below shows removal of one wire. All 3 should be removed. Insert the grey wire into the second to last connector position. Plug both the 8 pin and 5 pin cable into the Innofader. If this mod doesn't work, note Innofaders on the new production have a much lower resistance for the fader off position. Older original Innofader production resistance = 4 ohms Newer original Innofader + Innofader PNP production resistance = 0.45 ohms This lower resistance is much more effective at eliminating this bleed problem. Please write to us if you want assistance with this.
  15. Note that Vestax PMC mixer line faders are inconsistent. Some use VCA circuits, and others don't. This mod will probably work in several Vestax models as long as the line faders are VCA faders. It might also be possible that power and ground are reversed on some models. In this case please also use the Misc. Adapter Board to fix this.
  16. The tricky part of this is the line faders. First of all, before you attempt this note the following parts are required: 1) Parts from 3 Innofader kits 3 Innofaders 1 mini-screwdrier 1 mini line-fader PC board (see picture below) 3 line fader power cables ***On each line fader only leave the red wire connected, and remove the black wires! 2) 2 Innofader Output Adapter boards sold separately. First use the mini-line fader PC Board as shown here: ***NOTE: this picture is from an Ecler mixer. On the Vestax 07 crossfader, the Ecler Eternal Adapter Board isn't used, and the line fader power cable connects to the "Line Fader Power / Calibration" socket on the crossfader. First hook up all 3 line fader cables to the 1 mini line-fader PC board. For the cable connected to the mini line-fader PC board horizontal connector, plug this into the "Line Fader Power / Calibration" socket on the crossfader. The other two line fader cable connections are shown below in detail. Hook up each line fader as follows: Connect from the mixer fader connector through the Innofader Power Adapter board. The actual settings here are not critical because this board is just used to pre-regulate the voltage going to the Innofader. Remove the red and green wires from the connector on the Innofader Power Adapter board, and replace these wires by the corresponding wires from the Vestax fader connector. Note you should insulate the red and green wire tips before putting everything back, and you need to insulate all of the PC boards! Now for the mini-line fader PC Board, you just leave the middle red wire connected on the line faders. Note the grey wire is explained in the next step. Rewire the Innofader connector as follows, with all positions counting from pin 1 which is the leftmost pin: 1) Remove the grey wire and connect it to the line fader power cable. This wire goes just to the right of the red wire in the pin 4 position. 2) Remove the small black jumper wire connecting pins 5 and 6 of the Innofader connector. 3) Remove the blue wire and connect it to pin 5 of the Innofader connector. This mod does 2 things essential to the circuit operation: 1) Limits the line fader VCA inputs to 5V. 2) Bypasses the overcurrent protection circuit to guarantee a solid 0V signal on the VCA pins.
  17. EDIT 11/4/2010 note these instructions are for the original Innofader + DJM-800 adapter kit. We are now recommending that you use the Innofader Pro instead. The instructions are essentially the same except use the J17 adapter on the Innofader Pro. Before doing this installation, make sure you have both the Innofader kit and the Pioneer DJM-800 Innofader Adapter kit. This kit may be purchased in the USA through AGI Pro DJ, or through our various distributors worldwide. Note AGI Pro will be producing a detailed video going in depth about how to do this installation. We will post this video here once it is available. The kit includes the following: Pioneer DJM-800 crossfader adapter plate 2 screws The first step is to remove the crossfader. This is the piece that will come out. The slot is covered by the plastic insulator as shown: Now please do not cut a hole here. It will save lots of time, but it's impossible to return it back to its original state, which you might want to do if you ever sell it or send it back for repair. So you need to take off the faceplate - 9 screws on the top, 2 screws in front, 2 screws in back. It is not necessary to remove the screws for the microphone. Only the gain knobs need to be removed. Lift the faceplate up then flip over to the left and you will see the insulator card. Remove the following 2 screws from the insulator card: then tuck the insulator card inside the unit. There should be a small space under the front panel where the insulator card can partially fold and tuck in. Tuck in the insulator card while reattaching the faceplate. Hook up the Pioneer 3-pin crossfader connector to J13 also marked "NUMARK DIGITAL" on the Misc. Adapter Board as shown. ****VERY IMPORTANT: Even though it fits perfectly, do NOT use the connector marked "UREI KORG". This connector has the power reversed. We have heard back from customers who have done this by accident and it pops a fuse in the DJM-800 which requires a service tech to replace!!! Update 11/4/2010 if you are installing using the Innofader Pro, hook up the crossfader connector directly to J17 on the Innofader. No polarity testing is required Put insulator tape on the adapter board and Innofader just to make sure things don't short out. It is extremely important that you insulate the Innofader properly. If you are still unclear about how to properly insulate the Innofader after looking at the pictures, please see our insulating instructions. Insulated tubes are included with the Innofader or Innofader Pro kit. Before putting everything back, tuck in the adapter cable visible from the slot. Install the Innofader using the DJM-800 adapter plate and 2 screws included with it. You should use the included screws or else the crossfader plate will bulge! Make sure when you install the Innofader that the label is facing towards the line faders.
  18. The Innofader Output Adapter is needed for certain mixers. This adapter can be purchased either directly from Audio Innovate or through full service dealers such as AGI Pro DJ. Tascam XS-4 and XS-8 Behringer DX-052 older Ecler mixers (HAK 310, HAK 320) and the new EVO4 A&H Xone:42 In addition, this adapter will increase the output range of other mixers to ensure the full use of the curve control on the mixer, which is helpful for many Vestax PMC mixers, A&H Xone: 62, and the Urei 1603. Please see this instructional video on insulating the Innofader and make sure you understand this! Improper insulation can lead to mixer failure!!! First follow the instructions here and make sure the green LED on the Ecler Eternal Adapter PC board lights up https://www.innofader.com/fitting.php#misc Now turn off the mixer and connect the Innofader Output Adapter as shown. On the Misc. Adapter board, connect the mixer crossfader connector to the matching connector. In the below picture the connector labeled "A&H NUMARK VESTAX" is used but your mixer may use a different connector. Set the dials roughly as shown below. You should tweak the dials slightly and check with the mixer powered on to make sure the cutoff point is correct on both sides. NOTE: Only the left dial needs to be adjusted for the Tascam XS-4 and XS-8 and the Ecler mixers. Behringer DX-052 Setting - arrow at about 12:00 position A&H Xone:42, A&H Xone:62, Urei 1603 Setting - arrow at about 11:15 position Tascam XS-4, XS-8, Ecler HAK 310, 320, EVO4 Setting - arrow at about 10:30 position
  19. EDIT 9/17/2015: Please only reference these installation instructions if you are using the Rane TTM-56/57 installation kit with the original Innofader. As of October 2010, the Rane TTM-56/57 installation kit is obsolete and all of the parts you need for this installation are now included in the Innofader Pro.   For Innofader Pro calibration, please see the following links: Innofader Pro Rane Calibration p. 1 Innofader Pro Rane Calibration p. 2   For Innofader Pro2 calibration, please see the following links: Innofader Pro2 Rane Calibration p. 1 Innofader Pro2 Rane Calibration p. 2   For the original Innofade, Install into the Rane TTM56/57 as follows: 1) First locate all of the items needed: Innofader body Set the cut-in to no dead space and the curve to factory default B type The no dead space setting will make it much easier to adjust the Rane Adapter PC board. https://www.innofader.com/fitting.php#cut_s Rane TTM56/57 adapter kit including knob (added height) 4 screws (2 shown in the picture) Adapter plate Adapter PC board 2) With the power off, remove the original fader 3) Connect the Innofader to the adapter plate and hook up the adapter PC board to the Innofader and the mixer cable. Make sure the Innofader is set to Factory Default B type for the curve, and no dead space for the cut-in. 4) Start with both trim pots in the 12:00 position on the Rane TTM-56/57 Adapter PC Board. With the power on, mixer curve set to the sharpest, and fader direction normal, adjust the right trim pot until you get the desired cut-off point on the right side of the fader. NOTE: The adjustment most likely is in the 10:30 to 1:30 range. It will be much easier to do the calibration if you make gradual adjustments within this range. Use a sound source for your testing on the left channel and follow the below instructions. This way you can test the cutout on both sides of the fader by switching between normal and hamster mode. 5) Switch the direction of the fader 6) Adjust the left trim pot until you get the desired cut-off point on the left side of the fader. NOTE: The adjustment most likely is in the 10:30 to 1:30 range. It will be much easier to do the calibration if you make gradual adjustments within this range. 7) Turn off the reverse function. NOTE: you may want to redo steps 4-7 to fine tune the cutoff points on both sides of the fader. Once you are sure the calibration is good, turn off the power and go to step 8. 8) Wrap the entire adapter PC Board with electrical tape. 9) Also wrap the Innofader connector with electrical tape. 10) Place the Innofader in the slot and lift it up by the stem. Tighten one side of the fader while holding up the fader by the stem. 11) Tighten the other side of the fader while holding up the fader by the stem. 12) Reinstall the faceplate and place the cap on the fader.
  20. odonov8

    SA-12

    QUOTE (DJ COLLIE @ Jan 27 2009, 08:30 PM) Hi, does the innofader work with the Stanton SA 12, if so is the installation the same as with the SA 5? In the CF/LF section of the compatibility chart it only says LF, does this mean I can only use it for the linefaders?! Thanks for your help in advance! Oops, that was a typo. Actually the Innofader works perfectly in the SA-12 crossfader. The line fader circuit is unusual so some effort is required to make it work properly. Elliot
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    QD-5

    QUOTE (Jon Avalon @ Jan 27 2009, 07:35 PM) Hey Elliot, Did American Audio ever get you the QD-5 to test when you were at namm? Will the inno work? Thanks American Audio was extremely helpful in getting me gear to test. Unfortunately the QD-5 has a very small slot so the Innofader won't fit. Same with their club mixer the MX-1400 DSP. The QD-6 fits but it's not VCA so the current Innofader won't work. Elliot
  22. I know the first thing you want to do when you receive the Innofader is slap it in your mixer. But before you close up the mixer and turn it on, it's critical that you properly insulate the Innofader. Then you can rest assured the Innofader will work without short circuiting to the case or other components. If you don't insulate the innofader properly, short circuiting could interfere with the Innofader's operation and even cause serious damage to your mixer!!! NOTE: This is the original suggested method. A new improved method is shown in the response to this. Innofader Insulation Video
  23. Hey Steve, I'm so stoked that I could get this working for you! I'll get picks up over the next few days so everyone else can see this. Elliot
  24. QUOTE (Monty0124 @ Jan 9 2009, 08:45 PM) Hey Elliot, Just got the adapter board about five minutes ago. Do you have any instructions for it? Just emailed you. Please let me know how it goes. Ellito
  25. Hey Risingsun124, Oops I see the problem now. What's actually happening is that some noise from the Innofader was causing the QFO to cut on and off, and you got rid of the problem simply by forcing the Innofader to have a sharp enough curve to "bypass" this problem. I would greatly appreciate if you could do the following for the benefit of those not as patient as yourself! 1) Identify what settings cause this problem 2) See if insulating the Innofader as described in this thread will eliminate the problem, and 3) Identify the setting you did to fix this problem The Innofader trim pots are 200k or 250k, but for an external hookup, you should use about 10k-50k to keep noise from interfering with the Innofader operation, and you should twist the wires together to provide some level of shielding.
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